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Wish List - NEEShub: Wish #165

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Ann Christine Catlin

neeshub groups and project warehouse

I need to know more about how the project warehouse sets up the neeshub group. My “wish” has to do with the fact that the neeshub group established by creating a project in the warehouse has no group manager.

George and I are working with a number of NEESR project teams on their NEEShub project “group” — to make sure they get the most out of the group capabilities and also to work on new group capabilities might be useful. These projects have had to add us as members of the “research team” at the project warehouse (to get us into the NEEShub group).

In our discussions with the groups, they think it would be more logical to have the PIs or administrator of the project warehouse “team” be made the mananger(s) of the NEEShub “group”, and be allowed to invite new people into the group (who would not be in the warehouse project team). The group manager should not be allowed to delete anyone on the warehouse project team from the NEEShub group, but would be allowed to add new people to the group membership who are working with them on group tasks.

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  1. Rodney Porter

    The project group follows from the access group for the project warehouse (from the file access group for the Operating System). In this sense, access to the project group entails access to the project warehouse, with the reverse also being true. This is how access to the project warehouse is determined (and modified). This is why there is no manager for the project groups, as they are managed in the project warehouse by anyone with grant privileged.

    It is possible to add someone to the group without giving them access to certain parts of the data by setting the access under the “experiments” column. It is my understanding that this may limit NEEShub tool access to the data(haven’t checked).

    I think further discussion will be needed to determine the best way to do what you want. The best idea I can think of is to add another group, invite all the project members, with the PI(s) being the group manager(s).

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    1. Ann Christine Catlin

      I think it would be really great to talk to you about ideas that I (and some of the research groups) have about connections & relationships between the groups and projects in the warehouse. Are you going to the quake summit? I’ll be there Friday. In the meantime…. one of the research groups HAS set up a separate group in addition to the main group (hybrid masonry from UIUC). But that is a “public” group for the same project with a different view of the project for a completely different audience. The group established at the time of the warehouse ‘ project create’ will always have a “special” relationship with the project warehouse (I have a whole presentation full of ideas about that — having to do with data flow, metadata, etc!). So the researcher groups I’ve talked to think this special group should be able to have a manager — but with restricted capability. It would definitely be a more complicated relationship than the current warehouse-group team-manager-members, so it would need some thought. Maybe we can talk about it … and about the other ideas for warehouse-group relationships?

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  2. Shirley Dyke

    I agree. It is important to be able to add members to the group that are not really part of the team, but need to work with the team. For example, my advisory boards should be part of the group space so that they can discuss and comment on things. But they are not doing the research, so are not within the project team. The group members should be a superset of the project team, with a manager – probably the IT admin for the project.

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    1. Rodney Porter

      This has been handled in the past by adding these people to NEES Central (now the Project Warehouse) with role “Other” and only view access. The question, then, is whether this continues to serve our needs, or if some other implementation is needed. Is there a need for someone to be in the project group, but be restricted from seeing any of the data? If so, is the present implementation, that allows for restriction of access by experiment good enough?

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  3. Dawn Weisman

    Thank you for contributing your wish to NEEShub. We value feedback from the community as a means to regularly improve NEEShub. Your wish was recently reviewed and prioritized by the Requirement Analysis and Assessment Subcommittee, which consists of members from the user community.

    These recently prioritized wishes are now being aligned with the immediate and long-term NEES goals by the Cyberinfrastructure Release Committee.

    In the near future we will let you know if your wish will be included in an upcoming NEEShub release.

    Dawn Weisman Director of NEEScomm IT

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